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Could running your own hybrid vehicle actually contribute energy?

Philippa Martin-King on October 6, 2008 | 1909 Views | 2 Comments

A recent article which appeared on engadget, talks of the new type of electric V2G vehicle, the Vehicle-to-grid.

The University of Delaware research centre explains: "Electric-drive vehicles, whether powered by batteries, fuel cells, or gasoline hybrids, have within them the energy source and power electronics capable of producing the 60 Hz AC electricity that powers our homes and offices. When connections are added to allow this electricity to flow from cars to power lines, we call it "vehicle to grid" power, or V2G. Cars pack a lot of power. One typical electric-drive vehicle can put out over 10kW, the average draw of 10 houses. The key to realizing economic value from V2G is precise timing of its grid power production to fit within driving requirments while meeting the time-critical power "dispatch" of the electric distribution system.

Now it appears a team at the University of Michigan is conducting a study on the technology as part of a national sustainable energy solution. An Engadget article says: "While current electric plants are good at generating power, they often fall short when it comes to storage -- which can be a problem when there's a power surge or when demand increases. V2G will let hybrid-electric owners sell the power their car generates to the electrical power grid whenever the car is not in use. The research team envisions a time when millions of hybrid vehicle owners will come together to create one large battery, allowing us all to play a small part in building our nation's energy independence. And sure, this all sounds good in theory. But wouldn't that mean relying on the neighbors to provide a key piece of the nation's infrastructure? Have you met the neighbors? Doesn't that seem a little... iffy?

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Photo #1 by Doug Powell on October 7, 2008 at 5:20 p.m.

I would say this idea of V2G would be good if we could honestly say that the energy storage of the car is a good one and the way we got the energy into the car is also a good one.  However, isn't this the very thing we have been struggling with for many years?  A lightweight, high capacity storage device that fits in a car with efficient conversion?  Typically a charging a battery consumes about 150% of the energy it is capable of giving back to you.  About a year I attended a presentation in Boulder Colorado by Dr. Dean Patterson (IEEE Fellow, Lincoln Ne.) where he talked about this very thing.  As it turns out, today's automotive battery technology still has a long way to go.

If you don't trace the true source of the energy you're using, you're fooling yourself as to it's ultimate cost effectiveness.  I propose we borrow from the "five whys" technique, but slightly modified. 

For every joule of energy stored in a device (e.g. the car battery), ask yourself three questions:

 - Where did it come from? 

 - What did it cost to get it? 

 - What does it cost to store it?

When you have answered these, add up the total cost.  Now, if the source of energy is not from something primary like the sun or the wind, ask the three questions again and add the total cost.  After five iterations of this method, you begin to see what this little bit of energy you're trying to put back on the grid is really costing you. 

-Doug

 

Photo #2 by Petty Deh on February 4, 2009 at 10:15 a.m.

we are in the process of reducing the use of carbon parts based fuels in any way possible... we can't change the past, isn'it it? but we can change the future ahead! hydrogen, electric and hybrid vehicles are the viable alternatives. Solutions already presented. Hybrids has a bigger economic value.

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